A few thoughts on last night’s Question Time…

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There was a fair bit of coverage in the run up to my appearance on last night’s Question Time wasn’t there?  Me and Piers Morgan having a bit of banter with each other on Twitter was a big cause of that, but I think another part of it was because there was someone on the panel from a non party political background. Someone without a PR script to follow. Someone who would just say what they actually think. Obviously, that comes with some pitfalls. I’m not a trained public speaker, and if I’m honest I was more nervous in the minutes before my appearance last night than I was standing in the tunnel at Wembley for the play-off final. So here are three of points of clarification…

Four ugly girls

Louise Bours

 

Those ‘pre-match nerves’ probably account for me getting off to a jittery start, and making that comment about four ugly girls. I’ve apologised for that and people have said what they’ve got to say.

What I was trying to get at was that if the voting public are given a choice of four unappealing possibilities, there is no great victory in being the least unappealing. That is what UKIP are to me. And I see the large share of the votes they received in the European elections was just an attempt by British voters to get those unappealing possibilities to tidy themselves up a little bit. After all only 1 in 10 voted for UKIP. Not as overwhelming as everyone’s claiming.

The Chilcot Inquiry

Blair and Bush

 

Tricky one this, and for me it has echoes of the Hillsborough enquiry, but if two world leader’s are going to negotiate the terms for sending British people to their deaths on foreign shores, those conversations should be made available for scrutiny. If we are going to do justice to the dead and the families of the dead, we must have full disclosure – giving us ‘the gist’ isn’t enough.

Piers Morgan is alright

Piers Morgan

 

Had a good time with him over dinner. Actually agreed on a fair few things. #tallyho

You can see the whole thing here…

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b045gbld/question-time-29052014

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charlielaw1984
charlielaw1984

Politics is full of fat ugly women, and men for that matter,ha. Show me a fit one! I think that's why she was offended, took it personally. You'll never win in politics. The people have serious problems, being from the richest families and being so dull as to not having lives of their own, who cares what they have to say.

charlielaw1984
charlielaw1984

Don't put yourself down mate. You have the same right as everyone else to have your voice heard and you represent the one voice which is never heard. Did you know it's the white english guy which does the worst at schools. The white guy that has been hit by recession and everything else the worst, and because white guys don't go around moaning, they don't get the support that others do. For example: it's their jobs being undercut by europeans, their rights being overtaken by employment law and custody laws. I agree and admire your opinions and think you have the most important qualities, honesty, clearity, and the ability to solve problems, surely that's all politics is.

Joanna73
Joanna73

Not taking into consideration the ugly girls comment - for which you did apologise, for a first timer you came across well.  A hundred times better than that moron Russell Brand who seems to be on every politics show going at the moment even though he doesn't know what he's talking about (and  is one of the biggest hypocrites going in my opinion).  Also unlike some of the panellists you didn't talk over anyone and seemed interested in hearing what they had to say.  Well done you.

Stevebrewer46
Stevebrewer46

Came across as thick,you banged on about 34% of the vote.....4 main parties....25% each as a start. One gets 34% ,leaving 66%between other 3........ average 22%...........now only 34% looks great!!!!

Gold9
Gold9

An Analogy about the 4 ugly women to compare it to the European election result causes so much bad press .When Joey Barton did exceptionally well for a first time appearance on QT.The response from Louise Bours MEP about footballers was far more offensive by saying "he fulfils the mission that footballers brains are in their feet" she then went on to say "what an offensive thing to say Mr Barton" but she did not think that her answer regarding footballers was offensive  to the Millions of footballers around the world. I must add that Joey Barton did apologise for the comment that he made but I never heard Louise Bours apologise for her far worse comments. Hers was not an Analogy but a straight comment about footballers in general.

martinbegley79
martinbegley79

The ugly girls analogy may not have been Joey's finest  rhetoric, but actually it works, and conveys the situation as it is. 


being offended is for the most part a choice, some people choose to take offence, often on the behalf of others. 


It is these self elected moral arbiters of life who are the problem, they actively seek ways to be upset or wronged as a means to stifle and close down those whose opinions they cant overcome with better ideas.

jonoula
jonoula

Ive been a feminist since the 60s and that comment wasnot sexist. it was a powerful analogy. and it worked.



Brilliant suggestion on QT - the fruit and vegetable vouchers - wouldnt cost that much and would make huge impact on diet and health.  

change the record
change the record

I can only type with one hand as my right hand is broken, however still compelled to make a post hear. I totally thought your quote on the ugly girls was deliberately seized upon and misinterpreted. you could easily have said 4 ugly blokes, but the point that I think you were spot on in making was that British politics has descended into a beauty contest rather than a serious debate about the policies of parties and the choices for the electorate. I i also thought the UKIP woman was hypocritical when she slagged off the political classes whilst aspiring to be one as newly elected MEP.  Don't take the comments on, don't be hurt by it, t is just the media using you asa distraction to the mores serious observations you made. Keep going and speaking the common sense that is a breath of fresh air in a stagnant national debate, the people need to speak frankly, lead the way. 

CavaSupernova
CavaSupernova

Re: 'Ugly girls' comment, OK it wasn't the cleverest but why are the media getting their knickers in such a twist about it?

This is the same media that will bend over backwards to justify the appeal of misogynistic lyrics and imagery in rap music, the hideous homophobia in dancehall, and the 'greatness' of Woody Allen and Roman Polanski despite the muckswirl of allegations about child abuse.

Last I heard, Joey Barton has been one of the few high profile footie players to make a stand against homophobia, and look at his support of the JFT96 campaign too.

I hear worse things in the pub on a Saturday night - and give just as good back.

Really, the media needs to lighten up and cut the bloke some slack on this.

PatrickMc
PatrickMc

‘Big Mouth Strikes Again‘! Great to hear someone on QT who doesn’t have to be careful what they say in order to win votes or have a media career. The comment was funny and even more so that it got through the PC fortress of the BBC. You said how totally unappealing the political parties are (which is true) and people will remember that. You didn’t use offensive language and neither did you insult a whole group of people like the UKIP woman did. Some people need to feel offended in order to feel superior. Hope you will do QT again in the future as you had plenty to say about other issues too - a celeb who doesn’t live in a bubble of their own self importance. Viva Joey!

ZoltanBuchan
ZoltanBuchan

You more than held your own Joey :-) True the 'ugly girls' comment was poor, but fair play to you for apologising for and withdrawing it. You should do more of this kind of thing after you retire...

grantj1
grantj1

Joey, I watched you from Sweden. You let yourself down with the low level comments regarding the ugly women. Also, you take the higher ground on conversations related to the government but you are the bearer of several criminal records - God knows why you should be permitted to have an opinion on anything. I would strip people like you from having the possibility to vote as you fail to abide by basic human standards in your day to day life.


Mr Blackster
Mr Blackster

Joey, i don't know you, i have no interest in football whatsoever and i don't normally leave comments on blogs,but i thought for a first timer you did ok on QT last night, your "ugly girls" comment made me AND my girlfriend chuckle,and we found the bile that the ukip woman spouted much more offensive. Keep smiling.

dougclarke
dougclarke

Really enjoyed you on the show and I thought you made certain points very well, way too much emphasis on the ugly girls point where really everyone knew what you were trying to say, and the comment about footballers thinking with their feet speaks for itself.

As a side note, I'm a 17 year old not too interested in politics generally, this was the first time I'd ever consciously watched Question Time, maybe getting guests on from non-political backgrounds where their judgement isn't shrouded by what their party believes is the best way to get young people interested in politics and debate, perhaps ironically.

Cheers Joey!

jayjay007
jayjay007

Your performance could best be described as otiose.

Limey911
Limey911

Loved your appearance, let the PC crowd whine, it was funny and if the UKIP lady* was fit no-one would have batted an eye....


DarynSP
DarynSP

We all knew what you meant Joey. Most of the people in the crowd even seemed to laugh when you said it! As per, people were just playing the 'offended' card to downplay your viewpoint. You came across well and I hope you do it again.

StevieTalker
StevieTalker

Joey you were are  complete star last night on BBCQT. I really appreciated what you had to say, you came across very clear on your views and a really intelligent man. Even with your wee mishap, I totally got what you were trying to say. Good on you Joey.

Andy_LUFC
Andy_LUFC

Unbelievable the scrutiny over Joey's comment, when the UKIP representative made that comment about all footballers being stupid, yet later agreed that everyone should be playing more sport. With views like that, will people want to play football if they are going to be thought of as stupid?


It should be noted that I (as I play football) wasn't offended by her comments, but it just seems fashionable to be "offended" by any meaningless comment in politics solely to get ahead of someone or put them down.

simo110809
simo110809

Only member of that panel without an axe to grind. Was refreshing to have a high profile figure with a real life, down to earth view on matters.

Ignore the negativity from the PC brigade who clearly have nothing else to do!!!

Barrythebolt
Barrythebolt

Joey, I voted ukip as a genuine protest over Europe. Not a racist molecule in me so this was a clear European vote only for me. Until Cameron demonstrates that the conservatives will follow up on the Brussels mob ukip get my vote for forcing the agenda. As for your performance last night, it takes balls to appear on TV , most of us never will, so I can not pretend I know better. You summarised your own performance well, ate humble pie, and get attention on your key point. All I will say is 'less is more' / how many times have I wished I took that advice.

RaekwonTheChef
RaekwonTheChef

To be honest, the hype and reaction over the ugly girls comment is ridiculous and unjustified. First of all, if it were a woman making the same comment about men, no one would even bat an eyelid and it certainly wouldn't be getting the same media coverage or accusations of sexism. Also, I think that hideous UKIP woman's comment about footballers was more harmful because it was a direct insult to a group of people. Your comment was simply a metaphor that implied your shallowness, a quality that many people share, and did not target a specific group of people. At least you had the decency to apologise, although I would not expect that from a UKIP candidate. I guess there has been such a reaction because you are in the public eye and an easy target based on your previous history.

AdamSandsQPR
AdamSandsQPR

Agreed with you on pretty much everything Joey. At the end of the day you put your point across well, and i agree especially that voting for UKIP was a protest vote. There have been plenty more offensive things said in the world of politics than what you said last night thats for sure!

CavaSupernova
CavaSupernova

@martinbegley79 "being offended is for the most part a choice, some people choose to take offence" Couldn't agree more - and the media pays a fortune to people like Jeremy Clarkson and Nick Ferrari to spout their unique brand of garbage for this very reason.

Joey B
Joey B

@jonoula Thanks. Means a lot when it comes from someone with considered and long-held views like yourself. Seems to me that the vast majority of comments from real people say that what I said was a little raw and politically inept, but not overtly sexist. The people banging their war drums are usually people looking for coverage and column inches.

CavaSupernova
CavaSupernova

@PatrickMc Totally agree with you about QT. I stopped watching it years ago because it's just full of MPs parroting the party line. Then they wonder why the electorate are apathetic...!

Mr Blackster
Mr Blackster

So people with criminal records shouldnt have an opinion? Thats a very grown up comment isnt it? And people dont deserve a second chance? Bit of advice for you, stay in Sweden.

Joey B
Joey B

@dougclarke Thanks Doug. Appreciate it mate, and agree that getting non-party political guests on shows like Newsnight and Question Time is a good way to get younger non-politicised viewers involved. I know I sometimes get abused for being a wikipedia rent-a-quote, but Thomas Mann once wrote that “Everything is politics” and I couldn’t agree more. 

NotSoOutraged
NotSoOutraged

@jayjay007 As you obviously did before you mentioned it. I just googled this word and realised that the meaning is equally as ambiguous as the description. Big or smart words are often used by less big and less smart people to cover there own deficiencies.We all know what he meant, and the point he was trying to put across. So maybe if we all tried less to be outraged at the non-outrageous, and more concerned about the real issues, then we could all get a bit further in life. I am not a Joey Barton fan, but I must admit that the relentless challenges about the observations of this man who is obviously minded to be better and to try better are turning me into far more an admirer than my traditional "Middle Class" instinctive values should traditionally lead me. In fact, what the hell?? Go Joey!!! 

Joey B
Joey B

@Andy_LUFC Totally agree Andy, but I think my reputation precedes me sometimes, so it was always gonna be a bit of a spectacle wasn’t it? Worth thinking about how many UKIP members (in every sense!) have made infinitely more offensive comments than mine? Biblical floods in response to gay marriage? Bongo Bongo Land?

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