Suarez, scandal, and serving time

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The superior light held up against Luis Suarez flickered unsavourily yet again last night. He’s a fantastic footballer and certainly up there with the best of them. But despite his talent, and the fact he’s a player that most others could only dream of playing with, there’s no defending his actions last night. You can’t go around biting people, and you definitely shouldn’t make a habit of it.

Winning mentality

But what I would say is this: what Suarez lacks in decorum/self-control he makes up for with passion. Players who are desperate to win will use whatever means possible to get one over on their opponents, and it doesn’t always come from the most rational of places. I should know; I’ve been in that position a few times and each time I’ve felt the full force of the law, and rightly so.

As a previous connoisseur of the dark arts of madness, I can understand where Suarez is coming from, so I’m a bit more sympathetic to his cause than most. Personally, I don’t think his actions should merit a lengthy international ban, but it’s looking like he’s going to receive just that. Although FIFA aren’t under any obligation to consider Suarez’s record it’s quite possible that they will, and what with last night’s incident playing out on football’s centre-stage, a slap on the wrists and a ten-match ban probably won’t be enough to satisfy the critics. I’m guessing he might get two years for what he did to Chiellini, but we’ll just have to wait and see.

Stricter punishment?

All of this begs the questions: how does Suarez’s latest incident differ from other forms of assault that go on both on and off the pitch? Cantona was sentenced to two weeks in prison (later reduced to 120 hours of community service) after kung-fu kicking a Palace supporter. Duncan Ferguson got two weeks in prison for head-butting an opponent in ’95, and I got given a six-month ban and a stint in Strangeways after that regrettable incident in Liverpool city centre. So I guess the question I’m asking is: where do you draw the line, and what’s the fairest way of punishing footballers on and off the pitch?

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jonath1
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Biting is strange and perhaps slightly disturbing behaviour but is it more dangerous to another player, than an elbow or a late scything tackle? Or more dangerous to the reputation of the game than diving?

Arras
Arras

The big problem I see with a long ban is he'll just go back to Uruguay and ignore the situation, learning no lesson, paying no price, showing no remorse.  And with the enforced inactivity, the isolation, the sense of being a victim, I'm afraid he'll come back  neither ready to play mentally nor fit to play physically.  His South American machismo won't allow him to be wrong and he'll have screwed his career and his future.

Perhaps he can triumph...but I doubt it. Read the Aesop's Fable about the Frog and the Bull. Suarez is the frog///

Arras
Arras

But I also see 'stars' in various fields  who rode the ego-trip horse into perdition, aided, abetted, even led by their friends, agents and family.  Two not-so-shining examples (outside of foodball I admit) are Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston.

Does Suarez have his enablers so that he feels protected, isolated from criticism and possible censure?  That is something I'm sure Liverpool isn't doing...but when he's not in the club environment, who knows what he hears?

FIFA will have their say and as with everything FIFA does, no one will really be satisfied with what they decide.

I'm sure the columns about what Liverpool will do with him are being written and commented on even now.

It will be interesting to see if FIFA doesn't allow him to play in any more WC matches( I'd favor that myself...not play and send him home).  Perhaps a visit to Room 101?

Whatever the resolution, it's not enough to impose it on him, if he stays at Liverpool they need to know who's underminding all the work they've tried to do...not just for the club but for the man, the footballer.

Arras
Arras

We hear he's a devoted family man. And to whom do we owe this information?  Parties with a person interest in his continued moneymaking  as a player/cash cow.  Loving your wife and family is not a get out of jail free card for misdeeds elsewhere....

Something people either aren't looking at or aren't talking about is what his 'handlers' (manager, agent, etc) are doing about his impulse control, what they tell him and  what part have they played in this fiasco.

The 'bad boys' of football in the past are in the past. Their stories are object lessons but...not really. Those were very different times and how they grew up, how men at that time saw themselves and their sports heros---very different. Hey Georgie, he's just another drunk like my da, or me, or....any number of people.And then later they'd admist, a shame, a real shame what happened to him and deny any influence on his behavior or suffering.

It's different now. I can't talk about Joey because I don't know his back story. I've read a few things (from him) about some problems and how much the help he received changed him and how he truly benefited from it. I accept that, someone who can lay it out and stand behind their decision to change---we all need to be able to do that--if we have the strength (and help).

Arras
Arras

I had heard that Suarez had received counselling through the club and the club was trying to deal with his issues, which is as it should be.

My firswt response to his actions in Brazil was to call for a strong ban...but as others have commented (my level of anger decreases as I see the expressions of anger from others) I have rethought the situation.

I don't think people are aware how many memes are flooding the internet and how Suarez's legacy will be debased by his recent actions. Being an obejct of ridicule and shame online over the world (deserved or not) is going to be a burden he has to carry. It won't go away. His children will see it...not my dad the great player and hero of the WC but the comic figure people are laughing at.


Even ifhe had planned on the 'attack' (innocent until convicted) I don't think he could have considered what the personal results would be. I'm reading that he may lose a very valuable endorsement (can't blame them) and perhaps more.  I think his reception back in England and the EPL will be another price to pay. It wasn't just Uruguay's reputation that was damaged (loyalists may stand behind him but the rest of the world will cast a jaundiced eye at him) it's also Liverpool's....'Can't you control your players? How did this happen again?  And I'm sure less cohert comments suitable for the bog outside the pub some people here seem to patronise) as well.

more to come

raulmeier
raulmeier

Go back to the pub!!! And stay there!

raulmeier
raulmeier

Are you all mad? This man Joey Barton was going around beating people up and now he defends this animal. The fact that others are not punished or they were worse doesn't change the facts. You all are the proof that football today is a cheat!

Drugs, violence and insults all tolerated...

You all don't live in real life. Go to the pub, get drunk and punch people! Enjoy yourselves!

Timmo44
Timmo44

Youthpasta - 'deliberately aim to hurt an opponent' - seriously? There was zero chance, that's ZERO chance that Suarez was going to hurt any of the three players he chewed on. A pinch or a Chinese burn would have done the same amount of damage - eg none whatsoever. A bite intended to hurt is what Mike Tyson gave Evander Holyfield when he bit 1/3rd of his ear off. What Suarez did was unsporting and distasteful but won't have even left a bruise after half an hour.


And why do people bang on about kids studying footballer's behaviour and assume they will copy it - since when were footballers role models? Not in the Premier League era that is for sure. Off the pitch Suarez is a quiet well behaved family man. On the pitch he's never actually hurt anyone unlike many.


The only person who's received any long term damage in any of the previous biting incidents is Luis Suarez himself. Deserved bans, but keep it in context.

raulmeier
raulmeier

@Timmo44 you're a joke! Hahahahaha

It's not about the damage you monocellular brain!

I wish somebody with hepatitis or hiv will bite you tomorrow!


raulmeier
raulmeier

@Timmo44 And do you have a degree in psychology? How do you know people won't copy it?! Hey monocell go study! Read!

Timmo44
Timmo44

@raulmeier Get back in your pram and calm yourself down. Can't you have an intelligent discussion without ranting? You're showing yourself up.

B48750
B48750

What he did and has done in the past are totally unacceptable. But Suarez is a human beeing, not a monster. He has got a problem and needs help to control his temper and self control. 2 years ban is not the treatment he needs.

What Roy Keane did to Alfie Haaland was much worse. A planned assault, and he admitted it. I agree that it should have been a police matter. What did he get? A couple of matches?

raulmeier
raulmeier

@B48750 I agree with you but if you see the fake reaction by Suarez it shows that he had planned it!

1JacobWalker
1JacobWalker

If Liverpool FC wish to keep the friendly, family orientated, community image that they so often pride themselves on then he has to go. They must choose between either the copious amount of goals he scores or assists and the image they wish to portray.


If there's any truth to that cash plus Alexis Sanchez rumour then it should be a no brainer for Liverpool.

youthpasta
youthpasta

Additionally, to your bit about where indiscipline becomes assault, I would say that any incident where you deliberately aim to hurt an opponent when the ball is nowhere near you (because when the ball is there you can argue that the intent wasn't there) then it should be a police matter. I would include when Roy Keane tried to cripple Alfe Inge Haaland, that insane high kick to the chest in the last World Cup final and various others into that. After all, if I were to do that on the street I would get done for GBH, yet if a professional does it on the pitch they get a fine/ban and get to forget about it after that. It's not right and needs to be changed.

youthpasta
youthpasta

Suarez should be banned from all forms of football for life. He has now bitten people 3 times (that have been recorded), as well as the incident with Evra (though I don't count the handshake, since I saw it as Evra being VERY late to offer his own hand), and if Suarez is not banned for life then the message that kids will get is that if you are good enough then you can get away with it at least to some degree.

I doubt my view will be popular, but then I also take the view that anyone caught deliberately taking performance enhancing drugs for the purpose of cheating their opponents, in any sport (though particularly in athletics), should also be banned for life.

And my reasoning is that if the penalties aren't harsh then the kids watching at home are going to look at what happens and think if you are clever enough you can get away with it. And even if you are caught then if you are good enough and would be too big a star for the game to kick out then you will only get a slap on the wrist.

Yes, football is a way that people earn a living. But footballers (and, indeed, all athletes) are also role models to kids all around the world. They need to set an example to those kids, and need to be made examples of if they betray the trust put in them.

But, in an age when the money dictates pretty much everything in the game, all that is likely to happen is a ban in 1 sphere of the game which allows him to continue in the others. If that does happen with FIFA then I ope Liverpool take a stand, but I fear that they will buckle to the pressure to not waste a £60m asset.

raulmeier
raulmeier

@youthpasta Finally! Someone with a sense of real life! In real life there are consequences! Not like for these brainless! Go and work for 2000 a month and get put in jail for a punch in a pub like normal people. Come down from your clouds! You guys only play football, A GAME!!!